Transcript 0:00 [rock music] Hello, and welcome to a Monday edition of the Osceola Seminole Sidelines. 0:43 My name is Pat Burnham, and I am joined today by Nick Carlisle and Bob Ferrante. Boys, how are we doing today? Doing pretty good. Doing all right. Doing all right. And I am joined today... 0:54 D- did everybody, uh, survive the weekend and, uh, following Shedeur Sanders into the fifth round of the NFL draft? And still the angst of every ESPN and NFL Network announcer still is going on. 1:07 We'll talk a little bit about that later. But how's everybody doing? Did you have a good weekend? 1:11 Yeah, that was, it- honestly one of the more interesting drafts I think I've ever watched, and I'm not normally, like, a huge draft person. 1:19 But when even my non-sports related friends are starting to text me and say they're watching the draft, watching Shedeur Slanders, uh, Shedeur Sanders slide into the fifth round, and just watching every single team, whether, uh, Pittsburgh, Las Vegas, Cleveland, just anticipating watching these guys come up to pick throughout the second, third, fourth, and then into the fifth round. 1:43 And then just getting a, a g- almost like a, a, obviously unfortunate for, for the kid, but almost like a amused, giddy reaction of seeing probably one of the most memorable quarterback slides since, what, Aaron Rodgers, would you say? 1:57 I can't remember one more memorable than that. Maybe- Yeah. I mean, I don't think Mari- I don't think it will- Mariota 27th in the '83 draft. 2:04 Yeah, well, I wasn't even born then, so, uh, I, I can't- Hey, the Cleveland Browns are playing chess, not checkers. They wanted to get Dillon Gabriel and Shedeur Sanders, guys. 2:14 I mean, they're, they are chess, not checkers. Well, no one has, uh, does quarterback rooms quite like the Cleveland Browns. [laughs] What a great place for Shedeur. It is a wild room, guys. But what, what- What is it? 2:25 What is it? It's Deshaun, Kenny, Joe Flacco, and then Dillon and Shedeur? So five QBs. That is not only a crowded room, but that is a cult of personality and maybe not the [laughs] the nicest of ways. That'll be... 2:39 One of those guys will be hitting the bricks pretty soon after a mini camp. There's no doubt about it. Poor Joe Flacco. 2:45 Yeah, well, one of the four will def- I, the, uh, I think it'll be Flacco or Pickett that's leaving, but we'll see. But yeah, so we'll talk a little bit about that, and, uh, we're gonna get into obviously the portal. 2:56 We got, uh, I think it's important news. Uh, my take on it is a little bit different than everybody else's. 3:02 Uh, we'll talk a little bit about where Florida State's players were drafted, and probably, um, you know, everybody kind of knows about that. It was Farmer and AZ, and there were only two drafted. 3:11 But, uh, at least seven Seminoles have signed free agent contracts, so we'll talk a little bit about those seven guys, and probably more importantly, uh, which two or three of those guys do we anticipate, uh, making it past a mini camp and into a preseason roster. 3:29 Uh, listen, um, you know, NFL teams do sign bodies. Uh, we got a lot of guys at USF when I was there signed by the Bucs for practice, uh, y- you know, going into camp. 3:40 And as they cut them down, uh, you can kind of tell, uh, which guys are just signing for practice. But we'll talk a little bit about that. Uh, and we'll get into a little bit of baseball. 3:49 And not a lot of fun stuff to talk about with baseball this weekend because, uh, Louisville got after Florida State pretty good on Saturday and Sunday. 3:57 Uh, when they weren't stealing bases, they were knocking the ball out of the park. We'll talk a little bit about that and talk a little bit about the craziness of baseball polls. 4:05 If we thought we had a problem with football polls, guys, baseball is ludicrous. All right, so let's start with the transfer portal. Uh, FSU signed East Tennessee State quarterback Jaylen King. 4:19 Uh, guys, my take on this is he is not being brought in to red shirt. Uh, there's been a lot of narrative around the program about that. Uh, it started on Twitter. I saw it multiple times. 4:33 I've seen it by multiple services. This Jaylen King has two years of starting experience at two different colleges. In the day's portal era, you're not bringing this kid in to automatically red shirt. 4:48 Now, red shirting could happen, Bob and Nick, but I truly believe, and this is based off my history of working inside college football for 10 years and being around it my whole life, uh, I believe this kid's gonna be given a chance to win the starting quarter, uh, the backup quarterback role, I should say. 5:09 Backup. I firmly believe Castellanos is the starter. Uh, but just like we s- we talked about last week on the quarter- quarter, the defensive backs, cornerback Nick, um, I think that there's a reason. 5:22 They, they're not sure exactly what they've got, uh, backup wise, and this kid has three, possibly four times as many snaps as Brock Glenn in his college career and certainly more than Kevin Perry. 5:37 I do think the timing of it was deliberate. It was one of the more secretive prospects they've brought on campus. It just happened to be after the portal closed. 5:47 Now, that may or may not have, you know, listen, it's uncommon for these quarterback signings not to have ripple effects on these rosters. Now, we've heard nothing of Brock Glenn being in the portal. 6:00 Uh, we're not saying that he would be, but, uh, what I am saying is I would not be surprised if this has ripple effects-And of course, I don't know that Brock's graduated, which means he can enter the portal anytime he wants. 6:12 Uh, he's not subject to the window. 6:14 Uh, but just your take because I, I'm a firm believer in this kid's being brought in to play football for Florida State, uh, and if it doesn't work out, then you can redshirt him for whatever reason. 6:26 You know, Brock's clearly the best, the second qu- best quarterback, or Sperry. 6:30 Uh, listen, you're gonna see a lot of guys with one-year windows at colleges because of the portal, but what, what are y'all thought- what are your thoughts on, uh, Jalen King? 6:38 And I'll start with you, Nick, 'cause you kinda broke the story. Yeah, well, it was, uh, I mean, it was a complete surprise of him showing up on campus. 6:46 Uh, I certainly didn't hear anything about it until I saw that he was on campus, and just kind of the preliminary research that I did on him, uh, you take a look at not only where he's coming from, but the, the, what he produced when he was there, and you're like, "Okay, well, this is more or less a- a replacement for, for Trevor Jackson." 7:04 Similar, similar build, um, similar type of skill set. 7:08 But then he said the comment about redshirting, and now it's a situation where I think whatever Florida State saw in this kid, there's something long-term at play here, whether in terms of being able to compete for the starting job next year, uh, whether it's somebody to truly push Brock, um, because who knows if it, uh... 7:29 I don't, I mean, obviously Kevin Perry had a really nice spring, but is he, is he gonna be that guy with a couple of years separated to where he's truly gonna be able to push Brock for a starting, uh, position next year? 7:41 A- and, you know, how does that work into the fall as well? So I think 7:45 you're, you're bringing him in to really play towards the future and the competition and the overall depth of the room, um, especially when, uh, the depth of that room is, I don't wanna call it a concern, um, because obviously there's a lot of quarterbacks in that room, but with somebody that has been injury-prone in their career, and is somebody that is versatile and volatile as Tommy Castellanos in what he can do, if he does find himself on the sidelines with an injury, and then you start getting into the matter of, okay, well, what if Brock gets down? 8:16 Then you're left with true freshman Kevin Sperry and, and some walk-ons, and then, uh, your quarterback situation might even be worse than last year. 8:23 So there's a couple of plays and thing, uh, uh, a couple of things in play here, but it certainly developed between a, um, a one-for-one kind of replacement for Trevor Jackson, who went to Arkansas, to now, well, maybe there's some intentions in the long term here. 8:36 Yeah, well, uh, you know, listen, um, I, 8:39 you know, I don't, I'm not a big believer in a body for a body, and if there was a body for a body type of play here, that's what the Georgia, the little preferred walk-on quarterback from Georgia would've been, uh, 'cause he is a guy that can come in and run your scout team. 8:53 Uh, you're certainly not bringing this guy in initially to run your scout team. Uh, you know, let's, he's, he started 17 of 19 games in his college career, passing for over 2,700 yards, 20 touchdowns. 9:05 Did have a little bit m- a few more interceptions than you like last year, East Tennessee, 11. Uh, but he also had 123, 823 yards rushing and 10 touchdowns. 9:16 And listen, I think the kids said everything that they wanted him to say coming out of interview, bringing up the red shirt. It kinda 9:25 eases his, uh, onboarding to the roster that he said publicly, "Listen, this is a red shirt thing for me." 9:32 But listen, guys, I've been around a lo- a long time, and one of the reasons they did away with the eligibility, uh, restrictions on transferring is 'cause nobody transfers to red shirt. All right? I've never heard that. 9:46 Football practice is too hard. Off-season's too demanding. Nobody transfers to red shirt. Uh, so but he said that, and then of course, 9:56 you know, we, everybody kinda thought that that was what, you know, he had been told in that meeting. And then Mike 10:03 comes out and says, uh, he has the opportunity to compete and grow in a talented room with the possibility to red shirt. So listen, [chuckles] they're playing that card, and I think we know this is a very, uh, 10:17 uh, fluid world in the m- uh, quarterbacks, so I think they were saying all the right things, but yes, possibility to red shirt and are definitively red shirting, as some have suggested, are two entirely different things. 10:29 And now the head coach is saying it's a possibility he could red shirt. Uh, listen, we've talked about this before. Tommy Castellanos, as exciting as he is, and I'm looking forward to watching him play, he is electric. 10:43 It's just who in the world is he going to shock, the other team or his own team with his style of play? So, uh, listen, and this guy is a bigger version. He's 6'3", 220. I saw some- he's listed at 210. 10:56 He's from Folkston, Georgia. But listen, I think he's, uh, I think he's being brought in to compete, uh, with the other three k- other two kids behind, uh, Tommy Castellanos, and we'll see what happens. 11:07 Bob, what's your take on this thing? We love multi-year transfers. Yeah. We love stash and develop players. I understand everybody's gonna roll their eyes and say, "Well, Mike Norvell's got to win in 2025." Yes, he does. 11:19 [laughs] I get it. I get it. You get it. We all got it, right? At the same time, in the name of player development, in the name of quarterback development, this could be a really good move. 11:29 I don't know how much he's going to play this year, especially having missed a full spring. Can he catch up rapidly? Does he know, does this offense translate to what he's seen in the past? Gardner-Webb, 11:42 East Tennessee, two FCS schools, it's a massive jump in competition, but does he have the skill set for a Gus Malzahn offense? Could he be better than, as you said, Brock Glenn? Um, he is not accurate. 11:55 As a lot of people have pointed out on social media, he is more accurate at the FCS level than Brock Glenn has been at the Power Four level. Yes. Not apples to apples comparison. 12:05 Let's, I wanna try not to contradict myself. Well, unless it- But there, there's so many questions here, but he, he could be a developmental guy at the minimumYeah. 12:13 And he didn't have to play against behind Florida State's offensive line last year either, uh, which probably helped him. East Tennessee's- [laughs]... is probably better than Florida State's last year. 12:21 But listen, I l- I, I think there's, there's nothing wrong with taking this kid. Uh, listen, I, again, you're right, Bob, it could turn into a developmental thing. I think they took him because they've seen all his film. 12:33 They clearly feel like he's a fit for this offense that Gus runs. Uh, you know, they got access to all the Wofford tape they want, all the East Tennessee State, uh, tape they want. 12:43 And, uh, l- you know, listen, if he's not ready, great, you can red shirt. I think that's the, the great thing about him having the red shirt, if he does- if he's not a guy that can play. And I don't, 12:55 I don't make as big a deal of him coming in in the summer, 'cause at the end of the day, he's only missed 13 practice opportunities. Uh, this team did not even get to fulfill all 15 days of spring. 13:08 Uh, now listen, and the coaches can work with kids in the summer now, so I think he'll have a chance to catch up, 'cause at the end of the day he's only three months behind the other quarterbacks who have only got 13 practices in this offense. 13:21 So, uh, I think... You know, listen, you said it, this is a big year for Mike. I don't think that they're gonna h- I don't think they've made any decision on who's gonna be red shirted. 13:31 I don't think they will until they're about two weeks out from that opener against Alabama, 'cause Mike Norvell's gotta win this year, and they f- they f- they clearly feel like they're a better football team bringing this guy in. 13:43 So, uh, we'll see what Rolley feels. But, uh, I just don't think it's, uh, clear-cut that he's going to, uh, ride the pine for a year and learn behind Castellanos and Brock and Kevin Perry. 13:55 Um, I think he's brought in because he's got a lot of experience. Florida State, um, you know, could benefit from that experience possibly, depending on how next year plays out. 14:04 But I, I was kind of surprised, 'cause usually when you got quarterback stuff, it's, the Internet's blowing up. And this kind of just kind of came and went, and nobody really said anything. [laughs] There was... 14:16 Nobody broke out in their special podcast around the program. [laughs] It was, "Hey, it's a depth piece." Well, we'll find out. He certainly adds depth to the room. 14:24 Uh, we'll find out how much depth, uh, in, uh, in the fall. Now listen, I'm looking forward to seeing him. I mean, kid's got great size. 14:32 He comes from a great f- uh, high school football program, Fulton County, Charlton County, uh, Georgia. They've, uh, produced football players year after year after year. 14:41 And he became the second, uh, transfer portal addition for Florida State, who obviously added Houston cornerback Jeremiah Wilson last week. We talked about that extensively, so we won't, we won't go there again. 14:53 But we will tell you that that did take Hawaii cornerback Khalib Brown out of play, who committed to Virginia Tech this weekend. So it certainly looks like Florida State was going after one defensive back, or cornerback. 15:07 Uh, I still think they need a safety. We're not gonna rehash that until we can identify a prospect. 15:12 It certainly does not look like it's gonna be Tennessee's John Slaughter, who has gotten nowhere near this campus since he entered the portal. 15:18 [laughs] And, uh, not that they all are gonna visit, but, uh, we'll see what happens there. Uh, listen, uh, I know Nick, I'm gonna kind of let you handle the Tony Johnson thing. 15:29 He's the Cincinnati wide receiver that was on campus, [laughs] as your text put it so eloquently, for all of five or six hours. [laughs] Yeah. On, on Friday. 15:40 Uh, he has been to Miami, he'd been to UCF or was going to UCF after Florida State. 15:46 Uh, he put out a cryptic text last night that kind of alludes to he maybe qu- uh, have made a decision, it's just not announced, or was close to making a decision. 15:56 Uh, I think Florida State needs to go as in as they can financially on this kid, uh, because he's highly productive. We don't see many other wide receivers on their radar. What are your thoughts on Tony, uh, Johnson? 16:10 Yeah. 16:10 There's a couple ways to read this, uh, that what was supposed to be a Saturday-Sunday visit ended up being, he got here around 10:00 AM and was gone or by around 2:00 or 3:00, and we didn't see, uh, eye or ear of him until, uh, Derek Ray came out and said, "No, he's not here. 16:26 He's gone and he's, he's not coming back." So, uh, there's a lot involved here. Obviously, he saw UCF and Miami, uh, earlier this week. 16:34 And, uh, with Miami not only taking Nykar back out of the portal, also landing the, uh, the Keelan Marion kid from BYU, uh, I think right now, I mean, unless Miami is just rolling in riches and wants to take another wide receiver in the portal, uh, this would probably come down to Florida State and UCF and, um, uh, uh, what, what money you can get from, from others. 16:57 Now, obviously it's not all about money, but in terms of negotiations, uh, a visit that short, it's, it seems like it was very, uh, business related. And, um, 17:07 we'll, we'll, we'll see, uh, how things end up, I assume, in a couple of days. Yeah. Listen, I think these, uh, p- particularly these spring portal guys are such a, a window. They've gotta try to... 17:17 You know, most schools are gonna want 'em in that early May summer school, uh- Mm-hmm... to get in, you know, indoctrinated into the program. So yeah, it's not surp- I'm not... I don't necessarily read 17:28 anything negative into a five or six-hour stay, because let's face it- No, just it was very business like. Yeah, yeah. He came in, he saw what he needed to see, he talked to who he needed to talk to. 17:38 Now whether that was negotiation or it was something else, um, I definitely didn't view a shorter visit- Yeah... as anything negative. 17:45 But- Yeah, I would, I would say that Derek's demeanor when he told you guys that is probably more important than the kid staying- Yeah... for over six hours. 17:52 Now, uh, when you said it like you said, I was like, "Well, he's not coming to Florida State." [laughs] Yeah. But I mean, he might just, but he's not coming back today. But yeah, so- Yeah... 18:02 uh, I, that would be a good one for, I think for Florida State, unless they've got another receiver on the hook somewhere, and we don't think they do, based off what we know at 3:18 PM on April 28th. 18:14 So Tony Johnson, we think is gonna be making a decision between, it sounds like FSU, uh, UCF, uh, with potentially Miami being in the picture. But I'm gonna tell you what-Miami's killing it in the portal, guys. 18:28 I, I mean, I know this is a watered-down version of the portal this spring, but they've gotten some of the better guys in the portal. 18:34 They got the NC State, uh, linebacker that had such a good year after, uh, Caden Fordham got hurt up there at, uh... Is it Caden? Yeah, Caden's up at, his brother Corbin's at- Yes... is a high school prospect. 18:48 So yeah, so we'll see what happens there. Uh, got some new targets on the horizon. Uh, Grand Valley State University offensive tackle Jaylen Caldwell. Um, Nick, what do we... 19:00 I know he's a two-year starter type of kid, but he was very lightly recruited out of high school. 19:06 Do you think this is a guy that Florida State is going to consider seriously given his background or, uh, and have you had a chance to watch any tape on him from Grand Valley? I have not. I have not either. 19:19 It, it's hard to say, uh, because there's, the... Florida, with the offensive tackles and the linemen that Florida State are offering, there's the, the theme of just having multiple years of, of eligibility left. 19:31 Obviously Josh Rahman, who's coming in tomorrow from, from Vanderbilt, um, uh, four years of eligibility remaining. He would have, uh, uh, the, the, the Grand Valley State kid would have two. 19:41 I, I don't know if this is indicative of just trying to lighten the load on Herb with the high school recruiting by getting a couple of more guys in the program that, um, have already been in college but have multiple years of eligibility remaining. 19:56 I, I, I can't... I don't get the sense either which way, like, that Florida State is not considering him seriously. 20:03 Um, I think based on just order of events happening, they probably are more interested in Rahman than they are in, um, uh, wow, what's his last name? I'm blanking on it right now. The Grand Valley State kid. Um- 20:19 I just said it. Caldwell. Caldwell. I was saying Franklin or whatever. Uh, Caldwell, I, I- What a name. I... Yeah, what a name. Uh, [laughs] yeah, I- I- it's hard for me to say. I, it, it's hard to know. 20:30 Like, I don't know if you're trying to read too much into it by saying like, "Hey, they're going after guys with multiple years of eligibility for a reason, and therefore they're really interested," or if this is a similar situation between Jeremiah Wilson and Caleb Bell, where there's a clear guy that they like more, and then the other is just more of a, "Well, in case that doesn't work out, you know, we still have this guy coming in on a visit." 20:51 Yeah. Well, you know, they've got a little history with Rahman, uh, who, uh, is, is from Orlando. 20:57 And we do believe that he was probably at least evaluated by Herb Hand and Gus Malzahn, although I could not find that he was offered by UCF coming out of high school. 21:07 But, you know, listen, uh, you know, they've probably seen the film on him from his spring, uh, year or scout team film from last year or something. 21:16 They, they've, they've, they've got a connection there, so we'll see what happens with Josh, uh, you know, uh, who will be on campus starting tomorrow. 21:24 And then of course, I believe that, uh, Caldwell's coming this weekend, correct? So- Yes... we got a... And he's got, Caldwell, I believe, had Kentucky already and Missouri midweek, if I'm not mistaken. 21:40 I'll have to go back and check my notes as we continue to work our way through these guys. Um, I could be wrong about that. 21:48 No, Caldwell took a visit to Kentucky this weekend, has Missouri scheduled for a midweek trip before his trip to FSU. Uh, and he has started 25 games over the last two years. 21:59 Now, just in case you want more information on Caldwell, uh, he did not have, in my research, a P4 offer coming out of high school. 22:08 Uh, what he did have is interest from Eastern Illinois, Illinois State, Northern Illinois. So all those Mac schools, uh, around Chicago area, where he is from, were the schools that had interest in him. 22:20 And listen, uh, we'll see. I mean, there's something Florida State likes about him, and, uh, so far, uh, what we, you know, we think that, uh, 22:28 Herb's done a pretty good job as far as the, the talent pool, the number of kids he's looking at, so we'll see what happens there. 22:36 Uh, last night I got a message from the Penn State Rivals Network, and, uh, it looks like Florida State has reached out to Rutgers linebacker, transfer linebacker Mohammed Toure. Uh, he is from New Jersey. 22:49 He is taking a visit to Penn State. He has a visit set to Miami. Uh, it's less clear right now whether the Seminoles will get a visit at this time. Uh, their other team involved in his portal process is Syracuse. 23:02 He's six two, two thirty-six. He has one year of eligibility remaining, would be a six-year senior. Uh, he had a very, very productive, uh, twenty twenty-three season at Rutgers. 23:16 Unfortunately, he has lost two full seasons to ACL injuries. Uh, you know, that's the bad part of it. 23:24 The good part of it is you might get a, uh, you might get a discount, ACL discount, because he is looking for a place to play his senior year where he feels he has a chance to, um, you know, grow his, uh, 23:40 chances of going to the NFL. I think that's one of the reasons he's looking at Florida State, uh, Syracuse, and obviously, uh, uh, Flo- uh, Miami. 23:49 And I think that maybe what has happened is, uh, and I think Rutgers has got a pretty good linebacker corps they feel about, and this kid's coming off a, like I said, a second injury in three years. 24:00 So we'll see what happens if, uh, Florida State can get a visit from Mohammed Toure, uh, from Rutgers. 24:07 Again, a senior linebacker that has one year of eligibility remaining, but he has missed two years due to, uh, ACL injuries. Uh, and as someone who has had ACL in- that's no fun. 24:19 Uh, hope the kid stays healthy and has a great senior year, whether it's at Florida State or elsewhere. But we will keep you informed on, uh, whether or not he ends up taking a visit to Florida State later this week. 24:30 Uh, now the, a kid who that we do know is coming in this week is defensive end Myles Mitchell. Uh, I know that you broke this, Nick. 24:37 What do we need to know about Myles?Yeah, Miles, uh, uh, coming fr- in from, uh, Monmouth. He's gonna get here, uh, I believe on Friday. Uh, interesting prospect. 24:48 Uh, maybe not the production that you, that you'd want when you look at his stats, but he, he does play a position that Florida State, um, maybe, I don't know if you'd consider it light, but, uh, they don't really have somebody that perfectly fits what the Jack Linebacker edge rusher would be. 25:04 Obviously, they have people that can play that. But I think you alluded to it on your board post, Pat, they don't have anybody, uh, like that apart from maybe like an Omari Williams- Yeah... 25:13 who is very clearly lighter, more, a little bit more explosive. Um, so I think this is, this is a good opportunity to have somebody that is stand up, can be explosive off the edge, um, 25:27 and, and it's just a matter of, of getting him and seeing whether he can produce or not. So he's gonna be here on Friday. He told me that this morning. 25:33 Um, I don't bel- He may have visited somewhere else prior to this, but as far as we know, this may be his first visit out of the portal. Um, but we'll, we'll clear that up, uh, over the next- Yeah. 25:44 I'm waiting for him to text me back right now. I've reached out to him to see if he's got any other visits set up. But yeah, listen, I think that the, uh, only other... 25:51 You know, if you go back and look at Nebraska's two deep last year, all their rut jacks were six-four, two-forty, six-three, two-fifty type kids, and this guy's six-four, two-fifty. 26:02 Uh, some more background on Myles Mitchell if you're interested. He was offered by Air Force, Bowling Green, Coastal Carolina, Fordham, UMass, Temple, William & Mary, and Yale. 26:12 Uh, if you just look at Air Force and Yale, you automatically know [chuckles] this is a very bright kid. Uh, so, uh- Yeah. [laughs] You know, listen, and when I started my research, I did, I was a little bit surprised. 26:23 Uh, not gaudy numbers given the fact that he's playing at a lower level. Uh, he played in 12 games this past year, had five and a half TFLs, two and a half sacks. 26:34 In 10 games in twenty twenty-three, he was not credited with a sack, but had three TFLs. And in twenty twenty-two, uh, had six T- TFLs and t- uh, two sacks in 11 games. 26:46 Uh, listen, I don't know their scheme, so I'm not gonna sit there and say that he had... I'm just not, uh, uh, that he didn't produce the way he should have. 26:53 I, I'm just going to say, uh, "Hey, Trenton, we appreciate a new member, buddy. Thanks for joining us. We hope you're enjoying what we're talking about." And, uh, so yeah, I was a little bit surprised by that. 27:04 But listen, uh, I've always said sometimes stats can be misleading 'cause we don't know how he's used, how they're repping people. Is he playing half the time, all the time? 27:13 But, uh, listen, he's certainly intriguing prospect, and, you know, I think everyone knows that Florida State probably needs another, uh, guy that can get after the passer, whether it's in your, uh, regular four down or even in your, uh, dime package where maybe you're only rushing three. 27:31 But certainly intriguing prospect. Listen, if you follow him on Twitter, folks, he's got some, uh, good highlights. 27:37 Uh, Nick's got 'em posted to our board post, so you can go to theosceola.com or floridastate.rivals.com and go to our board post on, uh, portal prospects that Florida State has interest in, and Nick has pulled up some video for you to watch there. 27:54 So, uh, that is the latest on incomers, uh, into the portal or potential incoming portal players. 28:01 We got some news on some outgoing portal players from Florida State, and, uh, we found out on s- Friday or Saturday that Gus Malzahn is taking Biscuits off the FSU playbook menu. 28:15 Uh, Marquees Douglas, uh, back for a little, I guess, vacation in Fl- He actually was living in a hell of a place if we're being- More like a training camp, honestly. Yeah. 28:25 [laughs] I would have stayed- Considering how much he lost... if I'm gonna be honest with you, uh, if I was just staying for a semester. But, uh, so Marquees Douglas transfers back into the program. 28:35 Uh, now he's out it looks like. He could change his mind. I don't think Mike's gonna let him. 28:40 Uh, but, uh, this one surprised me, guys, not because he's super talented, uh, because I don't think outside of, uh, Landon Thomas, they really don't have a guy that you think's got the potential to be super talented as an all-purpose tight end. 28:56 But Marqueston gi- did give you a guy that had some size and ability to block. Uh, you've only got three proven, three tight ends with playing time in college on this roster. 29:09 Uh, w- when you factor in Chase Loftin, who's a true freshman, and, uh, we heard a lot of great things about him, but I'm gonna be quite honest with you, I'm not expecting much out of him. 29:17 We saw him pl- have to play tight ends too early last year. It's gonna take away a year of eligibility from Landon Thomas and Omari Williams that they could've had, uh, for another year. 29:28 Uh, but, uh, what are your thoughts on Biscuits being cooked at Florida State? I think it's a signal that Florida State's gotta find a tight end option, right, out, out of the portal, and 29:40 th- this is the bummer 'cause like you said, I, I think he really could've been their best blocking tight end option. And I, I like him as a red zone option candidly as a, as a pass catcher i- in this offense too. 29:52 So I, I think it's disappointing that he chose to do this, but he's got one year of college football left. 29:57 He's clearly trying to find some place where he can, he can maximize that and then parlay it into, into pro football. But yeah, it leaves you with three guys. 30:06 It leaves you with one of those being Chase Loftin, who, uh, love his highlights, but he is a pass-catching receiver type and not so much a tight end type right now- Yeah... at this stage in his career. Yep. 30:18 Nick, any thoughts on Biscuit? Uh, just that it's unfortunate. 30:21 I think when y- if you, if you poll FSU fans when he first announced that he was committing and coming back, I think you would've, uh, most FSU fans would've said, "Hey, welcome back. We need somebody exactly like you." 30:33 Uh, and considering the way that the tight end room was, um, leaving the fall with how many, uh, uh, tight ends that they lost. 30:41 And yeah, I, I think it's disappointing from that standpoint, um, but not for, especially, you know, with what Biscuit said. You know? Said he was coming back. 30:49 He said he missed playing here, and, you know, um, words are words. But to see him hop back into the portal, uh, after 13 practices and a whole lot of shedded weight, it's, it's a little disappointing. 31:01 And, um-Uh, yeah, I, I, maybe, maybe Landon is making a bigger push than we thought. Obviously Randy Pittman's here now, and obviously he's got a lot of experience with what Gus Malzahn does coming from UCF. But, um, 31:14 that tight end room becomes a little bit lighter. It- they should open themselves up to find something in the portal if it's available, though obviously the portal closed on Friday, and I don't know. 31:24 Uh, tight end wasn't exactly one that we were neces- uh, necessarily like honing in on over the, over the earlier weeks. It was more so, okay, we know they're going for safety, uh, and, and- Oh... 31:36 possibly linebacker, one of those other positions. I haven't said they needed tight end since we started this thing. 31:40 Um- Yeah, but I, I mean, it's, it's, it's one of those things where it's like, uh, uh, an unexpected entry into the portal now has you looking for options that may not be there because you haven't put the groundwork in looking for those earlier- Yeah... 31:53 I guess is the, is the point that I'm making. Yeah. 31:55 But, um- Yeah, they should've put the groundwork in a little, uh, certain, as soon as they, uh, knew who their tight end room was consisted of, and then they wanted to keep Amari on defense. 32:03 So, uh, listen, maybe they did. Maybe they just haven't found anybody, but this is certainly a position that needed upgrade, 'cause you... 32:09 I mean, Mike can sit there, say what he wants about Chase Lawson, but he's a, he's a in, early enrolling freshman that's not gonna be strong enough to hold up at the point of attack. And you limit what you can do. 32:20 So yeah, I think this was a, a room they should've been looking at much harder. Now, I don't know what's in the portal necessarily. Uh, I heard rumors today they're looking at a SEC, uh, tight end that's in the portal. 32:30 I'm gonna start researching that as soon as we're done here. 32:33 But yeah, they, uh, I hope this is not a lack of due diligence on their part, and that they are now just a reactionary thing to, uh, Biscuit leaving, because this room had a flaw in it even with Biscuit in it. 32:46 It, it, it needed, it needed another all-purpose tight end. Like you needed a guy that can... It's, they got a lot of one-trick ponies in that room right now. 32:56 Uh, and you can't play your best football when you got specialized people at one pos- all, they're all specialists, right? They're all pass catching specialists. 33:04 Uh, now Landon's big enough that he can devi- uh, should be able to grow into an all-purpose tight end. We'll see what happens when he comes out this summer. Uh, but yeah. I was, uh... You know, 33:16 they knew who they were dealing with. [laughs] I mean, they, they've had, they had the kid on campus for three years, uh, before he left for Arizona State. 33:24 And listen, it's just one of those things that, the, it is what it is, and, you know, now you've missed, you've missed the boat on Jordan Scott, you've missed the boat on Marqueston Douglas. Uh, Hakeem transfers out. 33:37 Uh, and then of course Jaylen Brown gets himself kicked out. Uh, so, uh, yeah. Uh, we'll see what happens there. I hope they get a portal guy. Um, now we talked a little bit about this on Friday. 33:48 Uh, Ta- Tamir Hickman-Collins, we had, has transfer- is gonna transfer out of the program. 33:53 Uh, we talked about the fact that we thought there might be a linebacker transfer out because of all the linebackers that transferred in. And then we saw a guy like, and listen, this is off of one practice. 34:04 We saw H- AJ Correl- Cottrell have a really strong scrimmage in the scrimmage that we were able to see. Um, 34:13 you know, I'm, this is, to me this is not a big deal 'cause you're three deep, uh, at all three linebacker positions, so it's not necessarily gonna kill you from a depth standpoint. He was an unproven guy. 34:25 Anyone got a strong take on Tamir Hickman-Collins leaving the program? 34:31 It doesn't surprise me only because I, I think I remember, uh, Randy Shannon saying that Clinton Portis was at his old high school, and Clinton had, had mentioned, you know, to Randy, "Hey, we, we got a guy in Tamir Hickman-Collins. 34:42 You wanna give him a look?" 34:44 So any time it's a, it's a South Carolina kid down at Florida State, a- and then you have a coaching change at your position, I think you have to kinda wonder just the pieces weren't fitting, you know, where, where Tamir's, uh, feet were here in Tallahassee and he's moving along. 34:58 Yeah, and, you know, sometimes I, and we don't know this for, uh, and this is just me thinking out loud. 35:04 All right, so when a guy like Marqueston Douglas transfers out, does that, does he know they've got somebody coming in? Same thing with Tami- Tamir Hickman-Collins. 35:13 He, he know, he announces that he's transferring out, and then the next day, uh, Muhammad Torre's been contact. We find out Muhammad Torre's been, uh, contacted by Florida State. 35:24 Uh, listen, if they're recruit, if they're contacting Torre, they're probably contacting other linebackers, right? It's probably not just a, it's a one, it's not, probably not a one-off. It's the one we know about. 35:34 Uh, and, uh, so we'll see what happens there. But yeah, uh, I thought we might see a linebacker leave this room. And I really like this high school tape. Of course, uh, most of what we see are high school highlights. 35:47 [laughs] It's hard not to like their tape when we evaluate them. I have to, I try to r- I try to remind myself every time I watch one, it's not about what you see, it's about what you don't see. 35:57 Uh, and it's the same thing, the same way people should evaluate practice. It's not so much about what you see but what you don't see. So anyway, we'll see what happens there. Uh, again, uh- Disappointed, uh, sorry. 36:08 Disappointed that I can't call him THC. I wanted him to get playing time so I could call him THC. Put, as he puts the licking on people and puts them to sleep, gets a, gets a little Betty Bye there. 36:19 Little, little 420 joke. But, um- So he's, he's, he's the indica version. Yes. Yes, exactly. Okay. Uh, I don't, I mean, I don't think this, this isn't really a needle mover either way. 36:29 I thought, uh, just watching him is, I always thought he was kinda small for the position anyway. 36:34 Now obviously size isn't the end all be all, but, um, I think he was only like six foot and like 215, um, when, when he came in. And he didn't look that much bigger, um, throughout his time here. 36:46 So, uh, and, and to, to your point, what comes first, the chicken or the egg? Right. Is, that, was his leaving predicated on the fact that they're, um, they're shopping again for portal options? 36:56 Um, or is it-Or is it the other way around? Right. Yeah. Uh, to where, you know, he may just see the writing on the wall. Yeah. 37:04 Well, I have a feeling that that may be with Tamir, but, uh, having the fact that Mark Houston's actually posted highlights of his own practice, uh, on his Twitter account makes me think that that was... 37:15 I'm not, I'm not sure how that one played out because clearly, if he is putting his own highlights on Twitter from spring practice, uh, he's got v- you know, that leads me to believe he's got very little going on in the portal, and this will end up being a, 37:32 something that people are gonna have to look at before they take him, and the fact that he transferred back to Florida State and is now transferring back out of Florida State. 37:42 Uh, listen, there may be a very legitimate reason for this, uh, and he may be looking for a place to transfer down to where he can play all the time, right? Uh, go to a d- F- FCS or Group of 5 program. 37:55 Uh, you know, he didn't play a tremendous amount at Arizona State, so we'll see what happens there. All right. So I think we got the portal taken care of. 38:02 Nobody's jumped in today that we're aware of, and we have shared w- uh, the intel that we do know on who they could bring in or are bringing in this week. 38:13 All right, guys, so let's move to the draft, and let's talk about Florida State, folks. And oh, I do wanna talk about this. This is just the only recruiting note I've got for today. 38:22 Um, Kam Brooks from Thomasville, Georgia, the four-star defensive end, committed to Cal last night, uh, or this morning. I can't remember which, but it's not been long at all. Um- Yesterday. Yeah, yesterday. 38:34 And, of course, he has had significe- significant interest in Cal. They-- He was one of the-- He's been one of their, one of his top teams. Um, you know, Nick, uh, you know, Kam had been to 38:48 campus quite often, did not come for either junior day when he was supposed to or spring practice when he was supposed to. I cannot remember which one of the two it was. 38:55 But I think he had to- I think he was here during the spring. I, I remember- I think, yeah... seeing him. Yeah, yeah, he missed one of the times he was supposed to come. 39:02 Um, yeah, listen, I think this is a, a guy Florida State could circle back to. 39:07 Uh, you don't see a ton of kids fly all the way across country to, uh, play at other schools, particularly like Cal, but, uh, it's also the new modern version of NIL, and he also gets to play over, all over on this side of the country about every other week, uh, because Cal is so out of place. 39:25 They're [chuckles] kind of obviously st- in the ACC, which is still weird to say. Uh- Yeah... but, uh, so yeah. But I was a little bit surprised by that, but Kam Brooks may be a guy that Florida State can circle back to. 39:38 All right, so to NFL draft. All right, so, you know, I don't... [sighs] You know, I'm, I'm fine. I'm happy for AZ and happy for Josh. They ended up in the, uh, AFC East. 39:52 AZ's with the Jets, and they have a history of drafting Florida State folks, and, uh, well, I think every NFL team does, to be quite honest with you. I mean, uh, I don't, I don't even- As of recent. As of recent. 40:03 Yeah, I don't even know- LA, the, the Rams, the Chargers, and the Jets. Yeah. And then you get Farmer to, uh, Farmer to, uh, New England. Boy, I hope Josh is ready for Vrabel. 40:14 [laughs] That's all, that's all I'm gonna say. 'Cause I listen to stories about that guy, and he is a maniac. 40:21 Uh, so, uh, listen, I think that's a good fit for him, uh, uh, 'cause that will be, uh, you know, he's played in that three-fourth, that s- kinda similar scheme before with what, uh, Adam had done some odd defensive stuff or, you know, what I call playing heavy technique, two, two gapping, uh, for lack of a better word. 40:41 Uh, but w- uh, what do you guys think about AZ and Farmer going into draft, where they went in the draft? Uh, where do you, how long do you see them, uh, sticking around? 40:51 I think, you know, Josh Farmer's an interesting one in the fourth round. It feels like he dropped a lot lower than we all expected. 40:57 Uh, Daniel Jeremiah on the NFL Network broadcast mentioned that, you know, there may have been some injury issues with Josh, and that's why he, he dropped that far. 41:05 Uh, I mean, we know Josh has had some shoulder issues here at Florida State, and I think we can all say every offensive lineman and defensive lineman has battled shoulder issues through the years, too. 41:15 So that may not be specifically, um, big or unique, right? But I- I think the sense is that, that Josh is a good fit. He could be a guy who can really contribute there. 41:26 New England needs a lot of good football players, so I, I like that one. Um, AZ to me is interesting, too. He's gonna go play for Aaron Glenn up in, uh, up in New York. 41:36 A DB, a guy who's had a lot of success with Detroit as their DC. So I think if we're just kinda off the cuff, feels like a good fit to me, and we'll, we'll just see how those play out. Yeah. Yeah, Nick, any thoughts? 41:48 That's a s- that's a, that... No, that's a sneaky good, uh, cornerback pairing in New York, uh, if AZ gets the starting job. 41:55 'Cause you got AZ, who's obviously excellent by himself on an island on one side, and then you got Sauce Gardner, who is the big name guy on the other side. 42:04 So that's a really interesting pair at corner for, for the Jets that as Dolphins fans, Bob and I are probably not gonna be too happy to, uh, see. 42:12 But, uh, I can say [laughs] especially if Tyreek doesn't stay in town anymore, which he threatens to leave every off-season. 42:18 So, uh, no, I, I think as, uh, maybe, and maybe AZ went, uh, a little bit later than we thought he might. I, I thought he was, uh, for sure gonna go at some point in the second round. 42:28 But, um, the, the rumor mill being that his 40 time during the combine, which obviously wasn't great, may have held him back a little bit. Um, 42:37 so but, but just, just on fit and, um, where they landed, I think they both landed in good spots. 42:43 Uh, specifically Farmer, I mean, obviously the Pats haven't been too good recently, but that's still an outstanding organization. Um, so, uh, and, and I think Vrabel's a really good head coach, so. 42:54 You just said that like you're from Canada and we should be watching hockey. [laughs] Well, 42:59 as somebody who is knee-deep inside the, uh, the NH- NHL playoffs right now, uh-I am a little bit distracted, let's put it that way. Well- Go Cats. Love my Panthers... 43:09 well, listen- I wanna, I wanna see us go up 3-1 tonight and smack the you-know-what out of Tampa. Well- Hate those guys. 43:15 Which I'm probably, I'm probably going against our core audience right now, is probably [laughs] a lot of Tampa, I'm sorry. Go Cats. So hey, what did, what did, uh, your boy Tkachuk do? 43:25 I heard he got in some trouble, or should've gotten in some trouble. No, no. He, it was retaliatory. It was retaliatory. Uh, he, he, he, he just knocked somebody on their behind, and, um, it, it... 43:37 Well, what I envisioned as retaliatory because, uh, one of the Tampa Bay players, uh, completely nailed and blindsided Sasha Barkov, uh, in the corner and hurt him in game two. 43:52 Um, so may- maybe, I don't, I don't think it was purposely retaliatory, but a big hit for a big hit. The h- the NHL is very eye for an eye, um, in some, in some cases, so. 44:03 It's a very Old Testament sport, very Old Testament sport. Yes, yes. Uh, yeah, listen, our boy JP was going nuts on Twitter this morning about it. It's the only reason I know about it. 44:12 He was, couldn't believe- Is JP a Tampa fan? Oh yeah, JP- Oh, oh, Peterson, yes... yeah, yeah. I'm sure he is. Uh- Yeah, JP is going, was going nuts about it. 44:21 All right, so we got some, uh, to go back to football [laughs] until Florida State gets a hockey team. Which I'm fine, listen, let's get a, let's get a club hockey team. I'm all for it. 44:30 Uh, maybe they could schedule Duquesne. Uh, so let's talk about some- [laughs] Let's, let's, let's talk about some NFL free agents. 44:38 All right, so, uh, Jakai Douglas goes to the Giants, Kevin Knowles to the Chiefs, Jeremiah Byers to Arizona, Maurice Smith to the Commanders, Ventrell Cypress to the Commanders, Cam Riley to the, uh, Patriots, and DJ U to the Chargers. 44:57 Uh, well first of all, before we get there, because I am heartbroken that- Uh-huh... Alex Mastromono as, a- and when we started this show, first of all, he should've been drafted. 45:11 I mean, if we're gonna, if Shedeur draft- She- Sanders can get drafted, Alex Mastromono should be drafted. I mean, where is the people upset about the prejudice against people from Australia? 45:26 [laughs] Why is Mastromono- Here's one, here's one... not getting drafted? That just... And I did some research, I talked about it on Friday. 45:36 I know there's a problem with his get off time and s- traditional punting, but he just hasn't spent much... But you're not gonna find a leg, find a leg like that. So anyway, Alex has not been picked up yet. 45:47 So out of those guys, Douglas Giants, Knowles Chiefs, Byers Arizona, Smith Commanders, Cypress Commanders, Riley Patriots, DJ U Chargers, if you had to pick two that made it to pre-season camp out of that group, who would you pick? 46:06 Because I think there's very little chance that all seven of those guys make it into camp. I think there are gonna be a lot of... Some of these guys are gonna get cut in rookie camp, mini camp. Did you say Fitzgerald? 46:20 Oh, Fitzgerald Panthers, I did not say him. But- Fitzgerald Panthers... let's say it. I'm sorry, I- Because for me, for me, that's an easy one. Right. That's an easy one. 46:28 I, I, I'd have to say that, that Fitz probably makes that team. Um, otherwise, oh, I don't know, Bob. I- I'll go Jakai. J- Jakai just because of speed. Yeah. I know he didn't fit in the... 46:45 He wanted like a 4.29, guys. Yeah. Like, he talked about that before pro day, that he wanted a 4.29, and then when he ran, he clearly didn't get the time that he wanted. The scouts were not thoroughly impressed. 46:56 But if he has football speed, if he can show it out there on the grass, I think Jakai is somebody who could at least make a practice squad, and you see how it plays out. 47:05 Yeah, I think for Jakai to make any waves, he's gonna have to be a return guy. He'll have to, uh, he'll have to do that for sure. Um, I think he's going to... He'd have to be a punt returner, kickoff returner. 47:16 I don't think he can make it as a position specific guy. He's gonna have... But the problem with Jakai is his, uh, size, and he can't play on any other special teams other than the return team. 47:26 He can't play on coverage teams. Uh, I don't know, I guess you could line him up as a wide out on punt team, but that, you, you know, I, I just don't think that's what they're gonna do. 47:36 Um- Where did, uh, where did Cam Riley go again? Where did, did he go to the- Riley went to the Patriots. And- I don't know, like, I, I feel like w- somebody might 47:47 f- like maybe it's not the Patriots, but maybe somebody falls in, in love with that size-speed combo. 'Cause I remember Riley just being able to go sideline to sideline and absolutely thump people. 47:58 Now, you could say what you want about his season as a whole. 48:00 Obviously he was banged up throughout the course of last season, and maybe that had a lot to do with m- why, uh, you know, he wasn't a, maybe even a later round pull, uh, beyond production. But I don't know, I... 48:12 Maybe, maybe like, maybe somebody falls in love with that combination. Um- If they're playing a true 3-4, I think Cam's got a chance, 'cause he can make it as a outside line, a true- Yeah... 3-4 outside linebacker. 48:24 I think he c- could do that. He's probably more of a strongside, uh, 3-4 outside linebacker, but we'll see there. Knowles, I just don't see it, uh, with the Chiefs. Yeah. Uh, we'll see. 48:36 I mean, he's, he, you know, he had, s- we had such high expectations for him, uh, after that freshman year where he really played well. 48:44 I remember the Florida game specifically down there the year that, uh, Mullen got fired, he played pretty good. Uh, you know, I, you know, I think maybe, uh... I, I don't know. 48:57 You know, I'd, I'd, I'd say Byers, uh, but I'd probably go more with Cypress just 'cause Cypress can run, so I'd have to say, uh, uh, you know, I'll give you Fitzgerald, I'm not gonna include him on my list. 49:10 But I'd go Riley, uh, I'd go Riley s- uh, Ri-Cypress is the guys that have the best two chances to make it to a, a preseason camp I just don't see having a, a... 49:21 I don't- I just don't see an NFL offensive line coach having the patience to tell buyers what to do correctly for the sixth time and then that spring c- [laughs] in, in fall camp. I just can't see it. 49:34 I, I, I, I, it, it... that you, you obviously, like, love the athleticism and the physical attributes, but just, like, to be able to play in the NFL, like even in a practice squad role, 49:46 I, I just [laughs] don't see an offensive line coach being able to pull off the game. Yeah. But anyway, but I will, I will say this, after last year, I just wonder how well they were being coached. Oh, that's true. 49:55 That group got worse and worse as the season went on. But, but that's a multi... And but that's like a multi-year thing too, where it's like- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah... he, he wasn't able to get it together... 50:04 he wasn't a good recruiter or probably. Yeah. I will say he had a great attitude even in late in that year where the, the, the season was going downhill. 50:11 Like Jeremiah was kind of a leader type and was trying to be rah, rah. So I'm, I'm with you guys on that one. It's questionable. 50:20 Um, but hey, if he can, if he can play guard and tackle, if he can be developed to some extent, it's a long shot, but they're all, they're all kind of long shots on that- Yeah... undrafted free agent route. Well- Yeah... 50:30 he'd be one of those guys where if we wa- it wouldn't totally surprise me. So I put him at number three on my list out of those seven guys. Uh, but it wouldn't totally surprise me. 50:39 Uh, you know, sometimes the light comes on for guys when their paycheck and this, either a paycheck or a real job. Uh, and a lot of guys don't want real jobs. 50:48 Uh, you know, they want [laughs] to play as long as they can, and I don't blame them. [laughs] Yeah. The real world's not fun sometimes. 50:55 [laughs] All right, so, all right, so that covers the draft, and if, uh, Mastroiano has, uh, gotten picked up by somebody, please let us know, uh, so I can start his fan club for that particular team. 51:06 Uh, so, uh, we'll see. But that, that, that one was disappointing for me. All right, so we were going to do a commercial, but we're already 51 minutes [laughs] into this thing. So we're gonna save some people time. 51:16 Uh, let's talk a little bit about baseball, Bob, because, uh, and I think softball took it hell in Louisville yesterday too. Uh, watched a little bit of that after the baseball game. 51:25 But, uh, listen, uh, started off great on Friday night, a little bit of rain delay, then Florida State gets a win. 51:32 Then, uh, the wheels came off of Florida State's bus and apparently were added to Louisville's bus because Louisville ran past Florida State on Saturday. Bob, 14 steals in a single game. 51:49 Listen, I played a lot of baseball growing up. I don't think I ever saw that in a Little League game, let alone a high level major college baseball game. I didn't get to see any of that game. What in the world happened? 52:05 Were they taking advantage of the pitchers, the catchers? Uh, w- I mean, you just don't see that. Okay. Let's do the Bull Durham line before we move on here. New league record. 52:18 Literally, 14 stolen bases is the most in an ACC game between two ACC teams. It's the most that they've ever had. I think the issues on Saturday were Jackson West has been battling some injuries. 52:33 He was the catcher that day. I do think Joey Bellini being really slow to the plate, throwing a lot of off-speed stuff. 52:41 You know, when you're not throwing a healthy diet of fastballs, you got some extra time to run from first to second. Don't give up walks, though. 52:49 If you're a pitcher, don't give up a walk 'cause it can become a double in a hurry. And don't give up doubles because those become triples with these guys. Louisville just runs the bases. It's their identity. 52:58 It's what they do. Um, this is a bad series loss, I'll be honest, for Florida State baseball, but I don't think it, it's definitive in saying, "Well, Florida State's not a top eight national seed." It doesn't really... 53:14 It dings the resume, but it shouldn't fully tarnish it yet. You still got Clemson coming up, you got Cal, you got UNC, a lot of baseball left. I think we see the strengths, what the pitching can do. 53:26 You can win two out of three every weekend. 53:28 We see the deficiencies at the same time, and we say, "Okay, this, this really isn't that kind of high-end, maybe Omaha type team that, that we all think they are on, on their best days too." 53:39 So we see a little bit of both. Now, let me ask you this, 'cause you've watched a heck of a lot more baseball than I have. 53:45 Did this expo- Did that game expose a new weakness for this team that n- you may now see other teams on the schedule? 53:55 Because the competition's only gonna get better and better as you get to the ACC tournament, and then regionals, and hopefully super regionals and beyond that. 54:02 Uh, you know, is this a, is this something that everyone knew was there as, as a, a weakness in this defense and it just hadn't been exposed? Uh, I mean, how do you... I mean, I... Listen, the sky's not falling. 54:16 [laughs] It's still 30 something, 30 win team, but this, I was shocked when I read the report of the next morning. I, I, I was shocked watching it. 54:25 I mean, I'll be honest, at some point you go from seven steals to nine steals, and then it's, okay, well, how'd, how'd you get to 12 and 13 and, and 14? I don't know. I haven't dug deeply into Clemson, Cal, UNC- Yeah... 54:40 like how well do they run the bases? I think Louisville far and away is the team that's going to run the bases extremely well. Um, coaches see it. They watch these games. They pick up all the nuances. 54:55 It's available if you have the right speed in the lineup, if you get somebody on first base. Again, I... Don't create walks. Don't create headaches for yourself. 55:04 I think this Florida State staff have done a good job of limiting walks, of limiting those opportunities to 55:11 get on base and then turn it into more than that by, you know, stretching a, a walk to a, um, to essentially a double.Or going first to third on, on a base hit. 55:21 I mean, there's all kinds of crazy opportunities for, for baseball players to use speed. Um, 55:27 I think if Jackson West truly is injured, and I'll, I'll be honest, local guy, I love Jackson, but if he really- Yeah, great guy, Kip. Love Kip. 55:37 If he really is injured, you've gotta start looking at, okay, how much can Hunter Carnes catch? Um, how tough is that Friday, Saturday, Sunday back to back? 55:46 Can you get, uh, Schmela out there a little bit more too as kind of he's been that third catcher. Can he catch a little bit more? You have to start having some honest conversations with guys. 55:58 Is Jackson a better DH right now? You just have to have some of these honest conversations about, hey, it's a scratch run. Your next game is in May. What does it look like? The other team knows what it looks like. 56:09 You know, as you've said, they're all scouting. Right. Um, but it, it's a big question mark going forward for sure. 56:15 Yeah, and then of course on Sunday they have to worry about steal- stealing bases because either FSU refuses to catch the ball or the ball's flying out of the field. 56:23 The m- the Max Williams era was one of the worst I've seen in college baseball this year, uh, particularly for a guy that, you know, likes to talk as much as he does. [laughs] He talked himself out of catching that ball. 56:35 Uh, it was clearly his, but the, the balls were flying out for Louisville. It was, it was a windy day in Kentucky. Uh, that ball was blowing out towards left center. 56:45 And, but that, I mean, they were cranking them out 14 to two, seven inning t- uh, 10-one, 10 run rule win. Um, w- I mean, I didn't, I didn't watch every single pitch, Bob. 56:58 I've, uh, you know, but it just was not a good weekend for Florida State. What, what, what went wrong a- I mean, obviously a lot of it was pitching [laughs] on a Saturday. A lo- um, on Sunday a lot of it was fielding. 57:10 Uh, how do, you know, how did, how does this team respond and, uh, what did Link have to say on Sunday after those two losses? I, I think Link was frustrated. 57:19 He, he basically came away feeling like they were lucky to get the, the Friday one and, and not, not get swept. And that, that's kind of a weird thing to say when you got Jamie Arnold going out there on Friday. 57:29 You have to feel like you've got a chance to win a series because of the tone that, that that guy sets on Fridays. 57:35 I, I can look at it both ways 'cause in an individual game the defense wasn't good, but on the other hand I think that was Max Williams' first error of the year. 57:44 You know, this has been a really good defensive team, whether it's infield or outfield. 57:48 They've had their moments of course, but you know, you, you look at what Lodise has brought at short and Furrow at second, it's been really high quality. 57:57 Um, we've all seen the Chase Williams, you know, play that he made last Tuesday against Stetson, and that's one of the more phenomenal non-center fielder run it down a- and catches that, that you, you're ever gonna see. 58:09 So I, I think again, you've got known deficiencies. It's not gonna be, uh, perfect and consistent day to day. I'm kinda old school in that whole Mike Martin thing. I do like my pitching and defense. 58:22 I think this has a capability to be a good defensive team. The pitching is, is just you're riding through some of these issues. You've got Jamie Arnold, you've got Joey Vallini who's been off and on. 58:35 West Mendes is clearly battling it, and I think he's gonna have to figure it out down the stretch. 58:41 Um, bullpen is, is the kind of the mess that it is, but, uh, when you're down Kam Leiter, when you're down, um, a true midweek guy, your, your options are, are getting a little bit limited and you're just not getting enough out of those arms right now. 58:56 Yep. And got Clemson coming up, correct? Big... Uh, they're what? Five or six in a lot of these polls, so I mean this is- Yeah... this is a top 20 series coming up Friday. Yeah. 59:06 Yeah, uh, explain to me, y- you know more about, a l- ton more about this. All right, so Florida State's ranked five in one poll and 19 in another. What in the world? 59:16 And I mean, can't I g- I guess you can't make sense of it, but it is weird. Like, you don't have that... Rarely will you have that big a discrepancy in college football polls. 59:27 Uh, and if you do, it's usually a G5 that's ranked 10th in one poll and s- 15th in another. There's never a f- a discrepancy of 14 places. Uh, but I, so I was... I, and listen, I don't, I just think it's weird. 59:41 I don't, I don't have a problem with it either way. Florida State's a good baseball team. They're probably somewhere in the middle of that. [laughs] Let's just call them 12. 59:48 S- Take seven from each side [laughs] and call them 12. Uh, but, uh, but Clemson is right behind them in the, in the, uh, in the rankings. ACC rankings, I believe it's gonna... 59:58 So you'll have your, I don't know if Florida State's still in first after this weekend, uh, but it's gonna be at l- at the very least two of the top three teams in the ACC going head to head. 1:00:08 Is that, and this is a, this is probably a dumb question. Is that at home or away? Florida State, Clemson's here. Okay. All right. So yeah. 1:00:18 Yeah, I mean it's, uh, basic- Here, here's the other wild card with the standings is, you know, not to make too much of it, but Florida State lost three games because- Right... 1:00:26 of that series that was canceled, so we're going off winning percentage the rest of the way. 1:00:31 What's important, I think, to me is A, you wanna get one of your top four seeds for the ACC tournament, but B, you gotta be a national seed. 1:00:41 To be a national seed, you have to win series like these against Clemson, so you, you gotta, you gotta take two out of three. That's, that's what it comes down to, especially at home. 1:00:49 Yeah, the announcers were talking about how more important these games coming towards the end of the season are, uh, for hosting a regional, right? 1:00:56 I mean, they were talking about that with Louisville, that they need to s- finish in the top four in the ACC probably to get a regional. 1:01:05 I don't know how many teams, I don't know if they have a set number of teams from each conference that host regionals. I don't think that's true. 1:01:11 But they were mentioning that they thought Louisville would have to finish in the top four, and obviously we think Florida State's gonna get a regional as of, I do, as of today. We'll see. 1:01:19 Obviously Clemson is gonna be important.Uh, but yeah, so that'll be, that'll be a fun series. And where are we with softball? 1:01:26 Uh, they-- I know they played this-- I know they played Sunday against Louisville, and they were struggling when I saw 'em. 1:01:33 I know they've got the fan appreciation day on Wednesday, because their s- their last home, uh, series was canceled because of the shooting. 1:01:41 Uh, are, so are they done now with the regular season and going into postseason? One more series, so they go to Virginia Tech, which is also, I believe, top 20 good, might be even higher than that. 1:01:52 So 4 State needs one win- Okay... to, to secure the ACC regular season title, the top seed for the ACC tournament, which of all places is going to be played in Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts. Uh, congratulations to them. 1:02:07 That's where the ACC tournament is? They rotate it on site, Pat. Oh. And I can't explain it other than to say, "Why not play it where your softball hotbeds are?" Like- Yeah... Tallahassee, Atlanta, Clemson, et cetera. 1:02:20 Well, take it to Jacksonville. Play it over in Jacksonville. Play it in- They don't go neutral. It's a very weird deal. Oh, yeah? They don't go neutral for softball. Uh, that's interesting. 1:02:29 The weather would probably be great, uh, I would hope. It's May in, uh, Boston. You'd think you should have some fall-like weather, [laughs] so maybe that'll help the pitchers out, last longer. I don't know. 1:02:40 All right, well, listen, uh, and like we said, they do have a, uh, senior appreciation on Wednesday at 6:00 PM, autograph session, home run derby. 1:02:49 So if you did not get a chance to go say hello to the Lady Noles in their last game... They don't call 'em Lady Noles anymore, do they? It's just, just Seminoles. No, just Seminoles. Just Seminoles. 1:02:59 Uh, if you wanna go see the Seminole softball team play or s- visit with them, uh, go out Wednesday. 1:03:05 They are gonna have a fan appreciation day so that softball fans can honor the seniors that have meant so much to this program, and obviously, uh, one of the best programs in all of college, uh, softball. 1:03:16 So, uh, Wed- Wednesday at 6:00, autograph session, home run derby. All right, guys, we've been here about an hour, so we'll wrap it up. 1:03:23 We could get into the NFL draft some more, but, uh, I don't think I can even say his name anymore without making a m- I mean, I'm just so over it. 1:03:30 But, uh, I'll just say this, I've never seen a fifth round pick dominate draft coverage, and I've never seen the lack of professionalism by announcers. Even my man Rich Eisen was taking it personally. 1:03:48 Uh, who, and, uh, Rhys, that's the one guy I listen to all the time. Um, I listen to him daily, uh, usually at night. And Rich was doing the work for Deion. Mel Kiper was doing the work for Deion. 1:04:01 Uh, I was embarrassed for those guys. Uh, there was no collusion. 1:04:05 Uh, these owners, half of 'em don't talk to each other 'cause they're ego-driven maniacs that think they're s- should be the most powerful men in the league. There was no collusion, uh, for this. 1:04:16 If you think that, uh, I don't know what to tell you. Uh, first of all, only about seven teams needed quarterbacks in this draft, so they would not have all participated. 1:04:26 [laughs] Uh, but, uh, I just never seen anything like it in my life. And listen, to Nick's point earlier, uh, I'm not sure that the NFL... 1:04:34 Somebody might, b- from their PR department, might wanna go take credit for it, because I guarantee you the Saturday round of the NFL draft has never been watched by more people. 1:04:43 Uh, but it was a full five hours of, "Why has this kid not been drafted?" And nobody said anything about Will Howard at Ohio State. 1:04:53 [laughs] Uh, nobody said anything about- Or Quinn Ewers and the Dolphins in the seventh round. Yeah. I mean, it's just crazy. Uh, I've, listen, I've never seen anything like it. 1:05:01 Listen, that comes with the brand, uh, of VNA Sanders. Uh, but listen, I do think that Deion, uh, listen, he's already said that he wants to go to his first meeting with the Browns, so he come out and said that. 1:05:14 That's, this is one of the reasons that this kid fell is 'cause Deion cannot keep his hands out of the business, and Deion's gotta make him the center of everything. Uh, I mean, that guy has way, way too much pride. 1:05:29 Uh, I mean, to, I mean, a religious guy like him should know that pride can be a hurtful thing at times. Uh, but, uh, listen, I think that's one... 1:05:40 And there were, listen, obviously some, some questions about his on-field performance, his physical skills, but, uh, I do think that one of the reasons people shied away from him, 'cause exactly what happened with his father coming out and saying, he said two things on, w- for his draft. 1:05:57 That he called another coach, a head coach at NFL who'd take his call, and wanted him to go talk to his assistant, who Deion thought was the genesis of whatever the rumor was that Deion wanted dispelled. 1:06:11 So he, he went on one time already to talk about that. He's already been in touch with one staff that he was not happy with how his, they were talking about his son. 1:06:20 Uh, so now he was gonna walk into the Cleveland Browns', uh, head coach and owner and tell them how this should work. I, I just, I think, I think Deion... 1:06:29 Listen, and if you're Colorado, I think you gotta be concerned about how focused he is gonna be on your program moving forward, because all, he's not gonna, he's not gonna watch film on Saturday. 1:06:38 He's, if he's gonna watch the, the football on Sundays, he's gonna watch the Browns if his son's playing. He's gonna watch the Bucs if his other son is playing there. But yeah, I've just never seen, uh... 1:06:48 Like, I was embarrassed for those guys that they really, like Rich Eisen, who I think he's one of the top NFL guys, but just 1:06:57 I was embarrassed for all those guys this weekend, because they, there were a lot of kids, uh, that were not being talked about that were getting drafted that had unbelievable college careers, uh, and some of them better than Shedeur. 1:07:09 Uh, and they totally ignored those kids because they wanted to push a false narrative about collusion one way or the other, or this reason or that reason. Uh, I just thought it was ridiculous. 1:07:21 Well, I don't know what you guys thought. I don't know how much you watched it.I think more embarrassing for, for Mel Kiper than it was Rich Eisen, uh, depending on the coverage that you were watching. 1:07:31 I mean, Mel was banging the drum for... I, I mean, you couldn't even, you couldn't even... What is the NFL draft but a celebration of the dreams of so many of the players- Right... 1:07:41 that have worked every single day for the past 19 years, and all of the moments are being overshadowed by what this one quarterback at Colorado and his father, uh, are, uh, and they're not getting drafted. 1:07:52 Uh, it, it, it also opens itself up to receipts about how, uh, which I found was interesting, receipts in the sense that you're saying, "Well, uh, I, I know what I'm talking about in quarterbacks and I can't believe that this guy isn't taken," when m- when 20 years ago you were claiming Jimmy Clausen was the best thing since sliced bread- Yeah... 1:08:09 and he's gonna be, uh, Jesus Christ incarnate. Uh, it's, it was, it was embarrassing coverage. Um, and- Yeah, I hope they- Yeah, I-... straighten it out. 1:08:19 Of course we won't ha- we won't have a Sanders in the dra- of course, now Deion put something out today that he wants to have more kids, so we'll see if that happens. In 22 more years we'll be going through this again. 1:08:27 Uh, there, yeah, there's a tweet about it. At 57 he wants to have another child. So- Like I said, you're gonna keep trying until you get a first round pick. Yeah, yeah. So. So anyway. Yeah. 1:08:36 I just thought it was, I thought th- you know, usually they're both, both, uh, both new- both of those networks do an amazing job with coverage. Uh, I usually enjoy watching, particularly the last... 1:08:47 I love the Saturday round just 'cause you're gonna know, you're gonna have seen a lot of these guys that, you know, you see those, so you see more names go out in those two days and, you know, we see guys that we've watched Florida State play against, a bunch of guys from... 1:09:00 And so I've always enjoyed that round, but oh man, it was, it was hard to watch. 1:09:04 I almost turned it off at one point and, uh, I did turn the volume down, just started looking at names scrolling through so I wouldn't have to listen to any of the, the, uh, ranting that was going on. 1:09:14 But yeah, listen, uh, well, congrats to Florida State's kids, speaking of kids that, uh, are, got drafted, AZ and Josh, 'cause we don't wanna do the same thing the NFL Network did or ESPN did. 1:09:25 But, uh, listen, it, so it was a fun weekend though. A lot going on with the portal, with NFL draft, and, uh, baseball, softball, and, uh, listen, the portal's closed. Got a couple visits coming in this week. 1:09:39 You can go to theosceola.com, check out our message board thread that's got all the latest. 1:09:44 Uh, Nick and I do bios on these kids that give you a little bit of information on their history, uh, where they're playing, where they've played, who recruited 'em, uh, what their stats are. 1:09:54 So you can go to theosceola.com. Have to be a subscriber to access that information, but we think that you will enjoy doing that. Then of course we've got full coverage of baseball, softball, and 1:10:07 whatever is going on with, uh, the, we got articles on Josh on the NFL draft, I believe. And, uh, so we'll have all that, but go to theosceola.com to check that out. 1:10:17 Uh, obviously if you're watching us on YouTube, please hit the subscribe button and subscribe to The Osceola YouTube channel. 1:10:24 Hit the notification button on your way out so that you get notified when we're doing live or taped shows. We're on quite a run of live shows. If, uh, we've done pretty good here lately, all live. 1:10:35 We're live, coming to you live Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 3:00 PM and usually go to about 4:00. We'll run a little bit late today, but there was a lot to talk about. Bob, Nick, anything on the way out? 1:10:49 Uh, just that in terms of like FSU guys that are getting some undrafted for agent deals or mini camp invites, uh, LT, Lawrence Toefili, uh, is going to the Jets mini camp. All right. 1:11:01 Uh, rookie mini camp I believe as well. Uh, he's the guy- Now he's the guy that can make it as a return guy. Yes. Yeah. Yes. So good for LT. He, uh, he was one of my favorites. 1:11:11 He's a good kid, and, uh, did a lot of things. I think his career at Florida State would've been much better if they did what Bob and I suggested and left him at receiver his entire career. Who knows? 1:11:22 The offense may have played a little bit better last year. Of course, I don't know that they could have blocked to get the ball to him, but we'll see. Uh, we won't see that. 1:11:29 We'll fi- we'll find out this year how they do. But yeah, good for LT. Good for LT. All right, guys. 1:11:33 Well, y'all enjoy the rest of your evening, and we appreciate everybody watching, listening, however you are accessing this show. 1:11:39 We appreciate it greatly, and we'll be back on Wednesday to talk more portal, more FSU football, and we're gonna start breaking down each position group on the football team coming out of spring. 1:11:51 And, uh, we won't have a lot more to say than what we said today. [laughs] Probably should've done quarterbacks today since we covered the whole room. 1:11:58 Uh, so we may move on to receivers and break down the receiver room, uh, coming in on Wednesday as, as opposed to quarterbacks, since we actually did a fairly thorough, thorough overview of, uh, the, uh, quarterback room now that they've added, uh, the kid from East Tennessee State. 1:12:14 Uh, so, uh, all right, guys. Well, you guys have a great afternoon, and, uh, we will talk to you guys later in the week, and we hope the w- viewers and listeners will join us on Wednesday at 3:00. Have a good one.
