Transcript 0:01 Hey, by the way. 0:03 [rock music] Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the osceola.com Seminole Sidelines. 0:43 My name is Nick Carlisle, staff writer and recruiting writer for the osceola.com, joined by publisher Jerry Kotze and head editor Bob Fransce down below me. It's an exciting time. 0:54 We got to the finish line la- uh, guys, and we got to watch a little bit, a little tidbit of Florida State football practice yesterday, uh, just to, just to kind of let all of you know in on what we were able to see. 1:06 Uh, we were able to watch periods four through seven of, uh, Florida State's football practice, and a lot of that was the outside portion, doing a couple of position related drills. 1:16 Uh, didn't get to watch too many, uh, team related activities, but we were able to get in, get what we needed, and get out. 1:23 Uh, herded in and out by some of the lovely SID people that, that work, uh, with, with Florida State football that we all appreciate. An extremely hot day yesterday. 1:33 Everybody was bemoaning just how, how hot it was outside, and we were all [laughs] extremely- Dehydrated... drained after. Yeah. No, you... 1:41 I, I have lived in Florida for all 28 years of my life, and I always like to think that I'm about the heat, and I'm a Floridian, and I can withstand the heat. 1:49 Yesterday it was hot, and there's a lot of respect for guys like Tony White that walk out there in long sleeves and conduct a football practice. So, and I think he wasn't the only one. 2:00 I think Terrence Knighton was in a hoodie, and, uh, I think Ernie was in a hoodie too. So, uh, [laughs] intense, intense folks down at Florida State football. But thank you all so much for joining us today. 2:11 This is a pre-recorded show. Recording this earlier in the morning to get out for you guys later in the afternoon because we actually, despite bemoaning the heat, want to be back out there. We got more to see. 2:21 We got more to cover. We're gonna be back out at Florida State football practice today and tomorrow before they get a day off on Saturday. Practice resumes on Sunday. 2:30 But we did want to take a little bit of time to discuss with each other, recall the brief amount of practice that we were able to see, and talk about some of our notes and observations from not only that, that short, I think it was about 20-minute window of Florida State practice, but also what Mike Norvell, Deuce Robinson, and Luke Pettibon, uh, said. 2:47 Oh, sorry, he corrected us during the press conference, Pettibon. Uh, very French. Very French. Or Pet- Pettibon. Pettibon. There we go. [laughs] Oui, oui. Oui, oui. Oui, oui. 2:57 Uh, so yeah, we just wanted to sit down, organize our thoughts, uh, on what we saw in that, in that short period, and, and discuss it with you guys today. Bob, I'm gonna start with you. 3:06 Um, is there any like specific thing that stood out to you that you feel like Osceola subscribers and listeners should know about what we saw at, at practice yesterday? I think what Deuce Robinson said, I, I, I felt it. 3:21 You know, uh, drowning in hot air was what I felt yesterday, and, and I, I think the heat, I think, hits a guy who's from Phoenix, has spent some time in California. 3:33 So that's an interesting storyline too, guys, i- is just you're bringing in dozens of new players from different parts of the country, and, and these are not all Florida or Georgia guys who are used to this kind of heat. 3:45 Um, I, I guess big picture, I think Jerry mentioned it in some of his notes and I, I really felt, you know, watching those 20 minutes is this was a heavy fundamental day. This was, it looked like a day one. 3:55 It looked like, hey, a lot of coaches discussing blocking technique, you know, tight ends. 4:02 You know, Chris Thompson very engaged, and, "This is how I want you to hit the sled, and right under the armpits, and, and rise up." 4:09 And, and, you know, uh, Coach Harris on the receiver group too, talking, you know, very directly about, "This is how you block. 4:16 This is where I want you to hit, in the chest, a- and not have your hands outside," not be in that, uh, viewpoint where a referee can throw a flag and it can look like holding, because, uh, when your hands go on the outside, it's, it's kind of an easy call for, for a ref. 4:31 So I, I thought overall it just had that day one feel. But I, I do like the detail, the attention to those, those little things, and, and we know how important blocking is. 4:42 We know how important the perimeter blocking is. It... That was kind of the one, I- Yeah... 4:47 I just think that, that big takeaway that I'll have for, for not just Wednesday and Thursday, but it'll, it'll kind of carry with me, 'cause that's, that's one of the memories we'll have for weeks and weeks leading up to kickoff. 4:58 Jerry, what did you think? Yeah, you know, uh, I'm gonna play off what Bob was saying. I did notice the fundamentals, uh, being taught at, which you expect on day one. Let me, uh, fold back into that. 5:13 You remember when the players came out onto the practice field? Uh, they came out kind of, um, like it was day six. [laughs] Right? Yeah. Yeah. You know? There, there wasn't that... 5:26 A couple, like the, the running backs, all sprint out. I guess that's a David Johnson thing. Yes. And I noticed that the kid, uh, the receiver, 81, uh- Elijah Moore Elijah Moore. Yeah. Elijah Moore. 5:38 He was very animated coming out. But most of them were kind of like business-like coming out there, and, and that kind of like, uh, surprised me a little bit. 5:49 I was expecting to see more, uh, bounce in their step coming out. But, you know, it just occurred to me this morning. They've... Things have changed. 5:59 Those guys have been going out to practice every day in the summer, right? Mm-hmm. Now that the coaches can do the, the, the practice sessions with them. So that kind of explained to me this morning why 6:12 they were coming out there like it was day six, because it really [laughs] is like day 30 for them.So, uh, I think that's noteworthy. Um, but yeah, there was a lot of the basic fundamentals being coached. 6:26 And remember now, you got [clears throat]... Did Mike say there's 51 new players? [clears throat] I had, uh, one of my associates on a call today said it was 51, and I was thinking it was 41. But imagine that. 6:43 If you have 41 new players, you've gotta really coach fundamentals. You know, this is how we practice, you know? This is how we want you hitting the sled because it's, uh, there are a lot of new faces. 6:58 And, and the other thing is how many new coaches there were out there was, uh, very surprising. When you add them up, what is there, six and two GAs? 7:10 So- And, and defensive analyst, uh, Zach Arnett, who obviously is the former head coach of Mississippi State. 7:16 So there is a, there is an overwhelming amount of not only former head coaches at the college football level, but also I would imagine a couple of future head coaches at the co- Like, there is a lot of, of... 7:30 There's a well of knowledge that was on that practice field. Um- And so you have to coordinate it, and, and I guess that where, is where it usually begins with, "This is a football," you know? 7:43 [laughs] And so we saw some of that, and, uh, yeah, it's a lot to coordinate, and you only got 30 days to do it. Yeah. I, I would imagine. 7:54 I, I think it is actually 41 and not 51 because they only had, uh, something, uh, 17 commitments, I think, in high school, and there, I, I would be shocked to find, uh, over more than 25 transfer, uh, additions on that side. 8:08 It could be. It could very well may be. Yeah. But, uh, uh, 41 sounds more correct to me than 51. Either way, I think, I think your point still- Well-... remains the same. It's a lot of new guys to coordinate. 8:18 Uh, I do think that in terms of the guys running in, I do think that the cameras also play a part in it. 8:24 Um, [laughs] Elijah was running down and doing the war chant and, and, and doing a chop, and that was really amusing. 8:30 And then I was a little bit further back getting, getting some, um, some, uh, photographs, and he said, "What?" Uh, I, I can't remember who exactly it was in front, i-i-in front. 8:41 It might've been some of the other wide receivers. And he says, "What? Y'all don't wanna do the war chant with me?" And they said something back. 8:46 It's like, and Elijah something, said something to the effect of, "You guys are too busy aura farming." So [laughs] 8:53 that, that is a, that is a new age word that I am sure a lot of listeners are gonna have fun figuring out. But- Oh, would you explain that one to, to me? Well, aura, aura is like... Oh, I, how do even I describe it? 9:03 I mean, I'm the young guy here, and I don't even know if I have an aura. I know what an aura is. Yes. Well, yeah. So, so if you're aura farming, you're, you're kind of [clicks tongue]... 9:12 It's almost like building up energy. You're, like, building up that aura, like your, your outside perception of you. Um, this is the high quality consent and information that you can only get from theosceola.com. 9:24 [laughs] Is what is aura farming. Would you say you're cultivating juice? You're, you're cultivating juice type thing? Yeah. You're, you're like- Okay. Sure... you're just, you're building that energy. Yeah. You know? 9:31 Yeah. You're almost like, don't pay attention to the cameras, you know? You, you build your aura, you build your, your, your perception. Um, [clicks tongue] that may be slightly wrong. [laughs] I don't know. 9:41 I can't wait to figure out, uh, the, the, the true dictionary definition of aura farming. Well, if we have any young, young, uh- [laughs]... young minded people watching- Oh, I'm sure there's a couple. 9:51 I'm sure there's a couple. And of course, this is a recorded show, so maybe we're getting a couple of answers in the comment section, uh, right now. Yeah. 9:59 Um, [laughs] so we'll have to check back after practice later today to, to get the true dictionary definition. 10:05 [clicks tongue] Something that, uh, that was kind of underplayed that I actually really enjoyed yesterday is you... The three of us have been going to practices for multiple years now. And for the last- Yeah... 10:14 what was it? Two seasons, m- season, season and a half, we've been going to practice and there's been nothing but construction around that facility, around the IPF facility. 10:23 There's still a lot of construction there, but watching these pra- these practices and, or this practice, and watching these players work in that new facility, you get the investment. 10:35 That is a nice looking football only facility. I'm sure the players really appreciate it, and it, it is really, really nice. Um, so that, I, I think the players would ag- It's money well invested, and s- if you, if... 10:48 I can't wait for those, for those early morning practices where the sun is gonna hit things just right, and it actually provides a lot of shade, uh, [laughs] because I'm sure they're gonna really appreciate that too. 10:58 Um, [clicks tongue] I think, I think other than that, the thing that stuck out to me the most was we... I think everybody, [clicks tongue] once we got into that practice, we kind of diverged and went our separate ways. 11:11 I went over to the cattle pen with the defensive linemen, and listening to not only Odell bark, which we know Odell can bark. That is a loud, booming voice that you can hear probably from Pensacola Street. 11:26 Not only were you hearing Odell bark, but you were hearing Terrance Knighton bark. And not only were you hearing those two bark, you were also hearing Darryl Jackson bark, which I think is an important, uh, aspect to it. 11:36 You want your senior leader saying, "Hey, no, you did that rep poorly. Go back and do it again." I thought that was really interesting to watch, and that was good. 11:45 That validated a lot of what I needed to see in that brief practice. And yes, it is only one practice. A lot of these observations are gonna be based on the knowledge that this is 20 minutes of one practice. 11:56 But for what I needed to see from that position group, I, I came away feeling pretty content with what I saw. [laughs] And I think it is worth mentioning that nobody was immune. Nobody was immune to Terrance Knighton. 12:10 Even James Williams, who has a very documented, very personal relationship [clicks tongue] with, with, uh, Terrance Knighton, James Williams. 12:19 Even he said to James, "They only say you can effing rush the passer-Do it d- basically do it again. 12:26 So I, I, I really enjoyed how he was able to go and kind of attack that in a certain way to where you're, you're getting the guy to perform better, to do better at what you want. 12:37 So that, that was one takeaway that, that I really, um, that, uh, that stuck in my mind. Is there... 12:44 Y- y- I think it was you, Bob, who talked about the fundamentals, and all these assistant coaches making sure that they were blocking the right way, they were doing this the right way. 12:52 Are there any other examples that you can remember where you saw some instruction and, and were able to get a sense of kind of some of these new assistant coaches, their personality, their coaching styles? 13:04 I, I think just briefly going back to, to Knighton and Williams, you can do that because you have that relationship- Yes... over years. Yes. It's not just you have it over days, or weeks, or maybe a couple of months. 13:14 I mean, they've been in it together going back to Nebraska. You can, um, cuss in, in an instructive, in, in a constructive way to, um, to a player. I, I watched the offensive linemen for just a little bit. 13:27 A- again, you're not seeing OL versus DL. It was good to see Herb Hand, um, just how he was instructing. Cooper Williams is back, um- Yep... as a... 13:37 I'm not exactly sure what his title is, but OL assistant, not exactly a GA. But Cooper spent that year at Mizzou last year. 13:45 So it, it's good to have a familiar face, I think, for a lot of those guys who were around him maybe in, in '23 and, and prior. And then, uh, and then Ben Miles, the other assistant there. 13:56 So- Uh, Williams is showing up as a GA, uh, on the website here, so I think we'll go with GA. Um- Yeah... so. And I think he was a big loss. Not having him last year showed up. I would agree, yeah. It feels... 14:11 I, I don't mean to say duplicative at all. It, it feels like there are, um, multiple layers of coverage in coaching. 14:20 Might, might not be picking the right words, but again, we have, uh, you're looking at Florida State, they have a defensive line, it's Knighton and O'Dell, the offensive line group. 14:29 Uh, again, you've got multiple layers of coaching. Mm-hmm. Receivers. And, and, and Dimitri Emmanuel as well. Exactly. Yeah. Dimitri. 14:35 Um, receivers, of course you have, you have Coach Harris and, and he's got an assistant, but then you got Mike Norvell running over to coach the receivers, as he's always going to do no matter what his, his roles are. 14:47 Um, you know, Gus is very active. I, I thought... I won't say Gus was running around, but Gus was very engaged with quarterbacks, receivers, tight ends. So just the different layers, but on the same page instruction. 15:03 It wasn't, there wasn't any contradictory messages. It was clear coaches had, had what they wanted to accomplish, and they want-- or they want to just keep it simple as far as running this route, finishing the drill. 15:19 Uh, comically, I, I'm not calling out Gavin Blackwell, but, like, he catches a kind of a bench route toward the sideline, runs out of bounds and stops. And at Florida State, you finish the drill. 15:30 You turn up field, whether you're out of bounds or not, and you finish the drill by running to the end zone. Well, Gavin just didn't know that. It's kind of a day one thing for a new guy, but people are yelling at him. 15:42 Not just one, multiple guys, "Finish the drill." So it's not just freshmen. When you have so many new guys, you're seeing just the, the broad new day one type things on the roster. But it, it was... It all felt positive. 15:58 It didn't feel, didn't feel negative. It didn't feel overly critical. It just felt instructive and, and constructive. I kind of liked the overall, uh, the overall feel of it. Anything to add, Jerry? 16:12 I would just, uh, con- uh, agree. It, it was, uh... I enjoy watching certain guys coach. When Mickey Andrews was here, I loved watching Coach Andrews. When McDuffie was here, I loved watching him. 16:25 Chris Thompson is a guy I enjoy. He's very instructive. It's always, uh, a positive tone in his voice, even when he's telling you to do it again. Um, 16:39 and, uh, I think I really feel like Hand is that way. I've only seen a little bit of him, but, um, I think everything that comes out of his mouth is purposeful. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, um, I, I, I, uh... 16:57 That's what I loved about McDuffie. McDuffie might've been the best teacher of any coach I've ever been around. Uh, there wasn't a plethora of words, but they were all very intentional, and you got his point quickly. 17:14 Um, and, and it, and it was really, uh, it, it built on, on itself. So, uh, I see that in Hand. He, he coaches the way I would like to be coached as an offensive lineman. Yeah. 17:32 And just, uh, just some closing remarks on the, on the coaches. I, I, I think Chris Thompson, uh, is... That's the best way to describe it. 17:38 I, I was walking over and, um, they were doing the sled in I think the third or fourth period that we were able to watch, and a freshman, a walk-on, Gavin Markey, uh, was, was, it was his turn on the sled, and, 17:52 uh, uh, CT, uh, did a, a couple of instructions with him and gave him a rep. Said, "No, let's go back and do that again." 17:59 And it was really nice to see the entire tight end room kind of rally around a freshman when he got the rep right, and that was really nice to see, and that's kind of like the bonding that you wanna see in a room. 18:09 Um, and just the final, the final thought that kind of triggered when we were talking about Gus is it was, it was very... We talked about aura farming earlier. 18:18 It was very interesting to see the differences between Tony White and Gus Malzahn in terms of how they were watching their guys, and maybe it's because Gus was taking a, a leading in that drill a little bit more. 18:29 But you were doing, um, out routes and, and bench routes as-I think Bob mentioned a little bit earlier, and Gus was at the center, and it was almost kind of like a gravitational pull around him. 18:39 He was sitting there w- like, looking all around him and directing, almost kind of like the sun is moving planets around in orbit. That's the way that I would describe it, that I thought was unique. 18:49 Meanwhile, Tony White very, very locked in. Super locked in, arms crossed, analyzing everything. And maybe that's ju- again, this is observations off a 20-minute period. 19:00 Maybe he got loud and rambunctious a little bit later, but I thought that was interesting. Uh, we touched on the wide receivers a little bit. I wanna, I wanna go there next because 19:08 uh, wide receivers and tight ends specifically, 'cause there's a couple of newsworthy things that we need to touch on in terms of that camp. 19:14 But I think the biggest thing, something that we picked up on last week, but senior offensive lineman Bryson Estes has the distinction on the depth chart of being an offensive lineman and a tight end. 19:25 He walked in wearing number 86 yesterday, and he took most of his practice snaps, at least the ones that we saw, at tight end. 19:33 I asked Mike Norvell about it in the post-practice press conference afterwards, and Norvell said something to the effect of, "This is a senior guy that is looking to find a role on this team, and I absolutely respect what he is doing." 19:47 They, sounds like they plan to use him in multiple tight end sets, maybe run heavy formations. I don't know whether that's where most of his playing time is gonna come from, but it, it, I imagine... 19:58 It, you basically take Biscuit and double him in terms of what you're looking for in, like, a hun- a, a run heavy set. Um, is, what do you make of this, Bob? 20:08 Uh, do you think that this is purely more about Florida State trying to find a role for a guy that has been faithful to this program for four or five years? 20:17 Do you think this is needing a little bit more of a heavy presence in the run game in the tight end room? Where are you kind of falling here? And, and where do your thoughts on this position change as a whole? 20:27 And I think position change may be a little bit disingenuous. I think they probably intend him to use him multiple places, but again, he did work mostly with the tight ends. I, I think it's a lot of what you just said. 20:38 I think it's a reward for Bryson sticking around, number one. He's, he's seen a lot here. 20:43 He could've transferred, probably transferred down to a Group of 5 school and been in position to start somewhere on the offensive line, if that's what he wanted. 20:52 Uh, I'd be very curious to ask Bryson, you know, "Why are you still here? Do you love Florida State? Do you wanna be here? Is it about you wanna be on the field in some way?" 21:01 I think you read the tea leaves of what Mike Norvell said, and it's, it, it's Bryson knows this is his last go around. 21:06 And, and maybe being a tight end who can block, um, again, this is a guy who was a center, a very good center at the high school level, so it's not like he's caught balls at really any point, maybe going back to peewee days. 21:20 Um, I'll be very curious what he can do as a pass catcher, if we get to see that, if at all. But I think there's a love for maybe teammates, maybe what, what's going on here. 21:32 Um, maybe not wanting to leave after a 2 and 10 season. There's a lot of maybes there until we, we talk to him. 21:39 I, I would also say, you know, I, watching some of those tight ends and how they hit the sled, you know, Randy Pittman, that's a guy who looks like he could be a better blocking tight end than his reputation at UCF. 21:52 We know what Marquiston can probably do with that bigger body. I think we still have questions about maybe who's the best blocker in that group. 22:01 You elevate the level of blocker when you slim down Bryson Estes and you say, "That's a part-time/maybe full-time tight end." 22:11 You, you sort of change the dynamic there, and maybe motivate the other guys in the room, too, to elevate themselves as blockers. I, I think this is a positive overall. 22:21 I, I view it that way, 'cause I just didn't see him as being maybe in that two deep. Maybe they like those offensive linemen better, those younger guys in the room, than a Bryson Estes. 22:33 So I, it has a feel of potential positives all, all around. Yeah, you know, I... It'll always be a mystery to me why they didn't give him a better look at center. 22:45 'Cause um, he's, he's, he's a little bit, you know, he's a little undersized to be a tac- I mean, a guard or a tackle, but he was perfect size to, to g- really develop him at center. And, and they really never... 23:02 I don't think they made much of an effort to do that. Now, there's probably a good reason, and I don't know what it is. But, so this is, this is an opportunity for him to maybe get in onto the field. 23:16 Now, we're all thinking about inline tight end in a traditional offense. It could be... Well, first of all, let's stick with inline tight end. We like Marquiston Douglas as a blocker, for sure. 23:33 And he's down to 262, which is, you know, he was 280 at one point, so that, that's good news, that he's, uh, his, his weight is lower. 23:45 Uh, but if anything were to happen to Marquiston to where he couldn't play in a game, and you were in a short yardage s- situation, you have to have a backup, and I think that gives Es- Estes something to work for to get into that rotation where, "Hey, I'm next man up if Marquiston goes down," 24:08 um, in short yardage, goal line, um, heavy sets. But here's the other thing, is special teams. Um, if you're a good special teams player, as, as we've seen many tight ends, 24:23 uh, become the player of the year on special teams, um, 24:29 you're gonna get a lot of reps, whether it's, you know, extra point, field goal, uh, punt-Yeah, any of those types of special teams play you have a need for tight ends and, uh, I think i- it could be that, that he sees over the years how many plays those guys have gotten a- and it's not always on the starting 11 where you get your reps. 24:57 Yeah, yeah. No, valid point as well. Could, could be actually a very versatile, uh, eligible receiver on the goal line as well, uh, if you wanna think about it that way. Right. Uh, oh, and to be honest with you, 25:09 watching Bryson walk in yesterday, you notice a lot of that shedded weight, and you look at it and you're like, "Okay, you know, like, I can actually see, uh, the production that they're going for here." 25:20 Um- Hey, let me, let me add one other thing. I don't think you become a, a center, and even at the high school level, unless you have exceptional hands. That is a, that is a good point. Yeah. And so, um, I... 25:36 Well, let's just watch this one play out and, and look, I think we're all rooting for, for Estes. Yeah, absolutely. 25:43 Uh, Bob, you and I spent a little bit of time watching the wide receivers yesterday, just continuing on here. Deuce Robinson is somebody that Mike Norvell highlighted as having a couple of good one-on-one reps. Um, 25:55 obviously we talked to Deuce a little bit after. He talked about the heat, he talked about some of the other guys in his room. 25:59 He talked about stacking days within the wide receiver room with the knowledge, and I really like this quote from him as, as somebody that you expect to be a leader in that room. 26:08 Stacking days, making sure that there is a long way to go, and making sure that you don't get satisfied with just one day. That was something that I liked from Deuce. 26:16 But, um, it was also interesting to see Jalen Douglas, or, uh, Jalen [laughs] - Lucas I, m- I, I, I mixed up the brothers there. I, like, can, I, like, morph- [laughs]... 26:26 the two brothers together between Jakai Douglas and Jalen Lucas. Jalen Lucas 26:32 working with the wide receivers, uh, as opposed to the running back, I think that gives you a little bit of a earmark as to where they might see him factoring in more, and I'm sure they're gonna use him in the backfield at some point, but to see him working out primarily with the wide receivers yesterday was interesting, and I thought that he looked good. 26:48 I didn't think... I d- I didn't notice a lack of a step or, or anything. I thought that he looked good in his rehab, and that should be something exciting to watch over the next, uh, couple weeks or so. 26:59 And Makai Dansby as well, and this is something that I asked, uh, Deuce Robinson about at post practice as well, is, like, what's the ceiling for Makai Dansby from where you're standing w- with the knowledge that he's transferring over from the running back position? 27:12 And he said, "I don't think that the kid has a ceiling. He's just that good of an athlete." 27:18 There are some things visually when you watch him where it's not quite as smooth as you would want it to be, and obviously that comes with the understanding that this is a, a red shirt freshman that is switching positions. 27:29 He may have played a little bit of wide receiver in high school, but truly his athleticism and his speed, the home ru- h- the home run hitting ability, that's what you're looking for. 27:37 That's what you're excited about with Makai. I loved that he ran a bench route, uh, during one of the periods, dropped the ball, didn't, or tried to catch it one hand. Mike screamed over, and I'm not talking audi- aud- 27:53 a- audibly, I also mean screaming as in sprinting at him [laughs] spri- sprinted at him. Excuse me. Said, "Two hands." Gus said, "Do the rep again." He did it again, much better rep. 28:05 Norvell gave him a lot of love for that. It's very interesting to see that transition come to light. There's a lot of work to be done there. 28:14 Uh, Bob, did you, did you get a chance to watch, uh, Makai in any excess or did you notice any of those reps and do you think that, uh, he has a chance to contribute? 28:26 Because we also saw a little bit of Javon Boggs and you see why the coaches are excited. He is very, very smooth. I think we asked ourselves repeatedly throughout this off-season 28:38 who's the difference maker or who can be a difference maker on offense, and any one of those guys can be in that conversation. 28:46 So it- it's not just limited to, like, I keep go- falling back on Jalen Lucas because he wasn't there last year and we saw it in the spring and in camp. Yeah. 28:55 I, you know, when talking to David Johnson, he, he thinks Jalen Lucas is a, is a stick of dynamite and he can line up anywhere just kinda, you know, creating that explosive play. 29:04 So again, I've always kinda said with him, you know, call him a running back, call him a receiver, it doesn't really matter. You call him an athlete. 29:11 You have that creativity as a play caller, as a creator to say, "Okay, put him in motion. Um, whatever. Get the ball in his hands in space and see what happens." 29:24 But that's not just a Jalen Lucas discussion, it's a Makai Dansby discussion. Um, I, I think Deuce Robinson is, uh, somebody you want to have as your agent. He really- [laughs]... fucked up a lot of his teammates. Yeah. 29:37 Him saying that, you know, Jayven Boggs has everything to be successful and, and this and that, he has a lot to be successful minus the high-end speed. 29:45 I think Jayven probably knows he lacks the high-end speed, so he, he focuses on every other part of his game to maximize who he is and what he can bring to the table. So 29:58 I'm not saying Jayven Boggs is going to be a difference maker in the yard after catch type of scenario, but his high school production and his three state titles I think speaks a lot about what he can bring to an offense, what, that he can be a part of, of the puzzle. 30:16 Going back to, to the big picture discussion, we had so many questions about that receiver group in 2024, it never really developed. I think you feel better about the pieces that are out there. 30:28 The question is just how does it sort out over the next 30 days in terms of who you trust, who's dependable, who's got the offense down, who can do it?Yeah. Storylines to look at for sure. 30:40 Uh, we did, we did watch the quarterbacks, and I do wanna throw this in here because I know that a lot of people are interested in the quarterbacks. 30:47 We did watch the quarterbacks, did watch them throw, but at least in my opinion, it's very hard to make, um, observations and assumptions about quarterbacks when they're throwing practice drill throws as opposed to watching them in 11-on, seven-ons where you can see their decision-making process, see how they handle the rush. 31:05 So, uh, I, I didn't notice anything really awry about the quarterbacks yesterday other than Tommy Castellanos is as short as you think he is when you see him huddled around other big guys and that's gotta be a pain in the butt to try and find in the backfield if you're a defensive line. 31:21 Uh, but, you know, thought the quarterbacks looked serviceable. I, I was kind of also taken aback by how, um, happy everybody was. I feel like that's a room that probably really likes playing with each other. 31:32 Um, and it could also just be a first-day excitement of practice and such. Uh, I think that's pretty much... Jerry? Yeah, yeah, I got a comment there. Um, one, I think one thing 31:44 in a first-day practice, to your point, Nick, you're exactly right that it's all really basic fundamentals and there's, you know, you're throwing against air. Um, not, there's no rush on you. 31:58 Nobody's firing live rounds at you. And, uh, so it's hard to evaluate quarterback. If, if you're looking to do that, you can't do it. But what you can evaluate is the, the, the 32:15 chemistry that the quarterbacks have with the guys around them. And you made the point about how happy they were and how, you know, they seem to be a room that gets along well. 32:27 I think Tommy Castellanos has something to do with that. I think he's a ball of energy. Um, and, you know, l- and I'm just gonna, uh, and no disrespect to I- I- Iglele, but we didn't have that guy last year. 32:44 And, um, the year before we did, we had, uh, uh, Travis. Sure. Yeah. And he was, he was the sun that the wh- all the planets orbited around, you know? Yeah. 32:58 I mean, it didn't matter what position you played, you loved Travis. I see that with Castellanos. I think that that energy that you were referencing, Nick, is, is about the juice that he, he brings. The aura. 33:13 The aura farming. The aura. It's coming back [laughs] for more. He, he is a commercial farmer of the aura. Ugh. [laughs] Print, print the T-shirt, guys. Print the T-shirt. Oh, Lord. No, but seriously. 33:30 That, uh, that, that was good to see. I liked his energy. Um, and I, you know, I keep getting told that he's a more accurate passer than, uh, a lot of us think. 33:44 You guys remember two-a-days last year, August practices last year. Not two-a-days but, um, but we saw a lot of balls hit the ground. Yeah. And I didn't notice as much of that. 33:59 Um, and, uh, I found on those, uh, the only time I was watching him was when they were running the, the back, the wheel routes and, you know, I thought he was putting the ball on the r- on the running backs. 34:13 Um, I thought his accuracy was, you know, and that little thing on, against air was good. And we, I didn't see that last year. You know, I thought, uh, our quarterback last year, DJ, was erratic even in that drill. Yeah. 34:30 And so I think that's encouraging. Yeah. All of these observations and more you can go and read at theosceola.com. 34:37 We're gonna have more stories from, uh, interviews with coaches, players, all of that jazz coming daily, uh, as practice gets underway for the 2025 football season. You can join The Osceola right now. 34:50 We're extending it to August 8th. You can join The Osceola for 50% off. I rem- is that still correct, Jerry? Yes. I'm getting that still correct? 50% off. I, I've been saying it for the past few weeks. 35:00 This is the time that you wanna join. Give, give the content a try, see if you enjoy it. 35:04 Obviously there's a lot of stuff that, uh, is in front of the paywall, but the, some of the stuff, the really juicy nuggets are gonna be behind the paywall that you wanna definitely, uh, get that content for there. 35:15 Uh, Jerry. So I was just gonna say, the reason we're extending it is, 35:20 uh, right now the content, uh, all the stories have been, we've had 'em open to the public and our football stories we're starting to, I think today, Bob, uh- Yes... put 'em behind the paywall. 35:34 So I didn't wanna just, you know, July 31st, bam, uh, you're f- if you wanna read it, you gotta go right now today. Yes. So I extended it. 35:45 Uh, uh, we, Bob and I thought it would be good to extend it so that we're not just, uh, uh, suddenly, uh, making- Closing the door. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So give them a little bit more time to make a decision. 35:59 Well, you do have that time to go make a decision. Uh, and we have time to go back out there for another hot day and watch a little bit of... 36:05 Well, we're not gonna watch practice, but we're going to definitely talk to some coaches, talk to Mike Norvell again and, uh, see what, what they have to say about the second day of practice, which Mike Norvell is anticipating that jump. 36:15 You know, we kind of represent thr- rep- um, referenced it rather throughout the entire show. Lot of fundamentals day one. Mike Norvell is expecting a jump in day two. We'll see if there's been a jump in day two. 36:26 Thank you so much for listening to, uh, this, uh, what day is it? [laughs] When? All these days are blurring together. Wednesday edition of Seminole Sidelines. Wednesday. My name is Nick Carlisle. That's Jerry Kutz. 36:37 Yeah. Woo. Uh, I should aura farm a little bit more. I need to work on my aura. Uh, Bob Ferrante, publisher down, our, our, uh, God, I'm already messing up the aura farm. [laughs] Head editor Bob Ferrante down below. 36:49 Uh, we'll be back I believe on Friday to talk a little bit more about what the coaches and players had to say through the last two practices and, uh, thank you as always for watching and supporting theosceola.com. 37:00 We will see you all another time.
